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Aug 2, 2005 17:50:21 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 2, 2005 17:50:21 GMT -5
does anyone know if they will have an all WCW pay per view this year like the ECW one?
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Aug 2, 2005 19:27:09 GMT -5
Post by Robbie V on Aug 2, 2005 19:27:09 GMT -5
Doubtful. What did WCW have that stood out like ECW? The biggest thing I saw was the...literal...biggest thing they had: the triple-tier cage. Even then, who'll be crazy enough to do the match? Foley? Ha! That's what we need...Foley jumping off a higher cage and killing himself. Can you say "Owen Hart"?
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Aug 2, 2005 21:13:30 GMT -5
Post by Stormcat on Aug 2, 2005 21:13:30 GMT -5
No, it's not that WCW didn't offer what ECW could (WCW had War Games, the tirple cage, World War Battle Royal). The reason WWE won't do a WCW event is because the fans, being IDIOTS, wanted ECW for some UnGodly reason.
BTW, in case you couldn't tell, I HATE ECW. If you truly want Hardcore Wrestling, check out FMW or Puerto Rico; at least that has GOOD TALENT.
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Aug 3, 2005 6:31:34 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 3, 2005 6:31:34 GMT -5
that would be awesome to have like a Halloween Havoc or a World War 3 instead of a Royal Rumble so 90 people can be in it instead of 30 but it would take too long unless they make it like a 6 hour pay per view
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Aug 4, 2005 0:57:16 GMT -5
Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on Aug 4, 2005 0:57:16 GMT -5
instead of a wCw event, they could start putting in a few of the wCw matches that were cool. that would be better than "wCw One Night Stand" typed thing.
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Aug 4, 2005 6:09:05 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 4, 2005 6:09:05 GMT -5
i was never a fan of WCW because of the poor craftsmanship of the shows. i was watching a halloween havoc and saw someone get hit by styrofoam and the wrestler hit the ground before the styrofoam did. i was just wondering because a lot of people likes that more than the WWF back when it was on.
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Aug 4, 2005 11:31:14 GMT -5
Post by Superstar on Aug 4, 2005 11:31:14 GMT -5
[red]See I'm a huge mark for WCW I watched it from 1986-2001. I use to watch it because you got to see my serious grapplers before Bricshoff ruined that then Russo put the final nail in the coffin. It was the Cruiserweight Heaven. And a lot of WWE main stars now are WCW home grown. You might bad mouth WCW for lame gimmick matches in the old days. But you would turn and watch WWF from the same time. I mean for pete's sakes they had a guy named Manatuar. I mean it was like watching Saturday Morning Cartoons. I miss War Games and World War 3. WWE was in talks with bringing back Halloween Havoc. So don't be surprised if you see it this Halloween. [/red]
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Aug 4, 2005 11:53:47 GMT -5
Post by torrie on Aug 4, 2005 11:53:47 GMT -5
holloween havoc was the coolest if they bring anything back let it be that
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Aug 5, 2005 19:51:28 GMT -5
Post by DanielAbare86 on Aug 5, 2005 19:51:28 GMT -5
The one good thin g about when wcw was around it gave wwe some compentintion.I think wwe neads to have a couple of wrestling federations to compete agaist it self.
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Aug 6, 2005 7:14:06 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 6, 2005 7:14:06 GMT -5
i may be looking at this from the wrong side but the only reason WCW was the WWE's competetion was because it was made of old WWE stars like Hogan and Nash. There were a few originals to WCW like Sting and Goldberg but they couldnt keep up with Austin or the Undertaker.
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Aug 6, 2005 22:57:32 GMT -5
Post by Superstar on Aug 6, 2005 22:57:32 GMT -5
[red]Austin and Taker were former WCW wrestlers before they were WWF poster boys. Taker was part of the Skyscapers and Austin was part of the Hollywood Blondes. Geez I thought everyone knew that. Hell H worked for WCW before he joined WWF. [/red]
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Aug 6, 2005 23:57:03 GMT -5
Post by mattman on Aug 6, 2005 23:57:03 GMT -5
Well why not let dead dogs lie. I think that WCW sucked because they took the WWF's rejects and used it to better there company. I do think that the WWE needs some compitition i know TNA isnt cutting it either.
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Aug 7, 2005 1:09:41 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 7, 2005 1:09:41 GMT -5
Well why not let dead dogs lie. I think that WCW sucked because they took the WWF's rejects and used it to better there company. I do think that the WWE needs some compitition i know TNA isnt cutting it either. As much as I like TNA, and I do, you just pointed out exactly what they are doing as well. "Hey, they just fired Billy Gunn. We'll call him Kip, and set him up with his former tag partner. We're brilliant! Oh, rhyno's fired, too. Offer him twenty bucks, and a title shot. No, he's not going win. JJ's gonna get it back. Are you stupid?" I see it like this. Their heavywieght picture is WCW and their X division is ECW. I like their X Division, and I like things about their Heavywieght division, but they need to fet theire stuff together if they're gonna be on Spike
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Aug 7, 2005 6:17:25 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 7, 2005 6:17:25 GMT -5
yeah i knew they were in there. but who will fans remember, The Undertaker or Mad Man Mark? the point is WCW didnt know what it had and it lost it. the WWF took the old WCW wrestlers and made them stars and WCW took old WWF stars and made them suck. Maybe WCW was the better show but thats why i watch the WWE every monday night.
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Aug 7, 2005 22:57:48 GMT -5
Post by Robbie V on Aug 7, 2005 22:57:48 GMT -5
I would like to recall a quote from Bubba Ray Dudley on his last night at ECW on TNN, before jumping to WWE...not an exact quote, but the jist is there:
"See, here in ECW, we are made stars. But, in the World Wrestling Federation, stars are made legends."
WCW was a victim of circumstance. WCW POUNCED on WWF. WCW's direct intention since Bischoff took over as WCW President was to completely destroy WWF and make sure there were no pieces big enough to put it back together. WCW almost did such. It not only took stars from WWF and made them main eventers on their shows, but they took wrestlers from ECW (Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Malenko, Guerrera, Mysterio, Konnan...) and made their undercard. WCW was solid for years. ECW did not stand a chance. WWF was closer to folding than ECW at one point. Then, the mistake happened. Considered an assassin for the WWF, Vince Russo took over for Bischoff. Bischoff gets the hats off here, folks. Don't discredit him. He MADE WCW, period. No other person can state "Hey, I made that", because they can't. It'd be a flat-out lie. Bischoff was running good until the ratings took a slight drop. Why? Bischoff was having brutal arguments with those above him in the corporate ladder. Scripts and matches were not determined until minutes before the show. Wresters did not even know finishes until the ref told them. Bischoff was canned and was replaced by what WCW was told, "the man who made WWF what it was". Russo did one thing correctly: piss off Jim Ross. He, along with Ed Ferarra, made the gimmick "Oklahoma" (played by Ferarra - also a former WWF writer) and ran with it...just to lose to characters such as Madusa. Russo took the ball, showed it to Jarrett...showing him what he could have if it was his...and then...shattered it in thousands of pieces...much like how Bischoff wanted to do to WWF. Russo played trump with Hogan in the game we call "Backstage Politics". Russo killed the nWo while re-creating it, Russo killed Goldberg's run, Russo ruined it's chance to come back to beat WWF by making the backstage area a complete mess...which caused Chris Jericho, all but 1 member of The Revolution (Douglas, Benoit, Malenko, Saturn, Asya) and Eddie Guerrero to jump ship in a matter of 5 months (while Benoit, Malenko and Saturn jumped to the WWF, Douglas went back to ECW). It was 2000...WCW gave Benoit it's belt in hopes to have Benoit stay in WCW...Benoit doesn't show up on Monday. Hogan's gone. Flair is still pissed. Sting develops the "meh" technique that would later deliver himself to Christianity while mid-carding with Vampiro and Jarrett main events. Nash was running out of fuel. They give the damn belt to David Arquette...initially signalling the end of WCW. WWF is coming back in a frenzy. They have new wrestlers, fresh storylines and matchups, Mick Foley and Steve Austin. The Rock has estabolished himself as a main eventer while HHH's heel turn is in full swing. Big Show and Chris Jericho look back at WCW...and laugh. ECW is struggling with TNN. They lost RVD to an injury. ECW learns that they are being replaced by WWF programming...which leads to the first almost-full week of wrestling (incorporated to only 2 networks): Sunday was Unforgiven, Monday brings Raw & Nitro, Tuesday is blank (not counting Smackdown tapings or Raw replays), Wednesday is Thunder, Thursday is Smackdown, Friday is ECW on TNN, Saturday is WWF un-quality programming. It's the first time two different wrestling organizations were on the same network in a week as well. ECW soon learns of the intent to close...later closing in Febuary 2001. The official "death" was considered when Paul Heyman replaces Jerry Lawler on Raw. The official "death" of WCW was considered when Vince announced the purchase of WCW on national television. Jarrett, still blind from what he was shown by Russo, talks to his father about getting a wrestling promotion around. The Jarretts spend 2 years saving enough money and shopping for investors for this "up-start promotion", later to be known as TNA. TNA starts with the WCW approach by getting old superstars, but bringing in estabolished wrestlers from promotions like Ring of Honor. TNA then is later "fed" WWF talent that were released due to firings and budget cuts.
If it wasn't for WWF's lack of money coming in (which, BTW, is because of the lack of interest in the wrestling as a sport, not a promotion), TNA would not have: BG "Road Dogg" James Jeff Hardy Jerry Lynn Kevin Nash Kip "Billy Gunn" James Raven Rhino Ron "K-Kwik" Killings Sean "X-Pac" Waltman Terry "Red Rooster" Taylor
All of the above talent besides Taylor have recieved pushed in TNA or are in pushes in TNA.
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Aug 8, 2005 7:36:36 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 8, 2005 7:36:36 GMT -5
I dont know much about TNA. I watched it the 1st time it was on FSN and wasnt very impressed by it. Sure they have Billy Gunn and Road Dogg but they arent the same as when they were the New Age Outlaws. TNA is turning out like WCW and continuing where it left off. Double J is champion and that right there will ruin the best promotion it can find. WWF did fine with Double J as a mid carder with Tennessee Lee as a manager. And look at who else they got in TNA a Mankind/Kane mix known as Abyss. The hair and physique of kane and the mask (just all black) of kane but the hardcore style of mankind.
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Aug 8, 2005 10:08:49 GMT -5
Post by Krackerjack on Aug 8, 2005 10:08:49 GMT -5
TNA has taken the people that WCW left and the people that WWE fired and made them so much better. Its a good thing that WWE fired those people. Honestly it doesn't seem that Vince is throwing more wood into the fire and TNA is building up steam and is coming quick. They've got some of the best writers available. I was shocked because they took Jarrett out of the King of the Mountain match and put in Raven. Which I understand they was probably wanting to captialize on the ECW thing. I love seeing Jarrett as the champion, but no more than 5 or 6 months. He's still got it and can be an awesome heel. Like I said as long as it isn't longer than half a year I don't have much of a problem. TNA will be WCW again, but better. It seems already they have gotten it down patted and just ready to expose it in a huge manner. TNA will at least go Head to Head with the WWE for a bit as I can see them doing well only if they get one big name person that WWE hasn't snatched up. Which if TNA was smart Mick Foley or Goldberg (more important), because he isn't on a WWE contact. If they could get Goldberg or Foley just for a couple of weeks/months whatever. I could see them competing pretty well and then after people get use to the TNA wrestlers and wrestling style viewers will start to venture to them. It takes time but it will happen.
-Krackerjack
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Aug 9, 2005 8:05:22 GMT -5
Post by cactustrav77 on Aug 9, 2005 8:05:22 GMT -5
I know Goldberg and Foley are great talents. Whenever one of their names are advertised the show sells out. Goldberg is a former WCW/WWE talent, and Foley is a former SMW/WCW/ECW/WWF/WWE talent. So TNA like WCW would be piggy-backing off of the WWE. When Goldberg came to the WWE, there was a list of wrestlers he wouldnt lose to. With the huge names in the WWE he wouldnt lose to, imagine who he would lose to in the TNA. Maybe Kevin Nash (if hes still there, i dont really watch TNA) but thats it because he wouldnt lose to Double J or Raven or anything else because they were mid-card in WCW while he was top teir.
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Aug 9, 2005 19:50:46 GMT -5
Post by ddp on Aug 9, 2005 19:50:46 GMT -5
I myself liked wcw alot the had some good match types liek you have pointed out like holloween havoc war games wrestle war also haveing a 3 ring royal rumble which i think is war games im not totaly sure i wish it would come back but that is really wishful thinking.
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Aug 13, 2005 20:35:41 GMT -5
Post by Stormcat on Aug 13, 2005 20:35:41 GMT -5
War Games was the 2-ringed Steel Cage Match. World War was the 3-ringed Battle Royal.
And WWE should of started using the old WCW match styles a LONG time ago, like as soon as they aquired WCW.
As for NWA/TNA, Sure, they may be taking old WWE Talent, but a lot of them were fired too early (Killings, Rhyno, Raven) and now TNA is giving them a chance to become the superstars they they could of become, if WWE didn't get rid of them early and knew how to use them.
But TNA isn't doing the WCW thing, they have made new names in Pro Wrestling, like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, and Ron Killings, the one thing WCW couldn't do.
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