mattman
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Aug 5, 2005 1:08:39 GMT -5
Post by mattman on Aug 5, 2005 1:08:39 GMT -5
Well i think there should be more control on this site but I dont like how the mods/admins put a choke on the whole intire site. I also dont like the fact that they banned trevor Just becuase he had a little beef with a few admins/mods.
I dont dislike TCO i just dislike there staff. I didnt have a problem with your or any of the agents it was the people who were picking on trevor. The few days after me and XPW were sticking up for trevor i had all my instant messages deleted.
I dont know if that was a coincidence but it really pissed me off. Over all i wish there was a little more control but if they dont want to put a choke hold on the site im not gonna blast them, but since TCO has a mad choke hold on the site on how you can post and how you can talk to people i have an issue with some of the mods/admins.
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metallica
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Aug 5, 2005 1:49:57 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 5, 2005 1:49:57 GMT -5
The way TCO controls their site has been their major flaw as a web-site. Sure controlling the post whoring and all that jazz is necessary, it does not need to be taken to an extreme as they do. I do also agree that some censorship is needed but once again, not to that extreme. As Krackerjack said, he got treated like crap, and to me, he seems like a nice guy. But they crap on him. They crap on me because I stand up for myself. They crap on Mattman and X-Pac Wannabe because they defend my cause.
I am going to let the entire site know that im not the a-hole they made me seem to be. Maybe you guys have seen that already??
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Aug 5, 2005 2:17:04 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 5, 2005 2:17:04 GMT -5
Trevor(AKA Matallica, Mr. Burns, Mike_anstett, etc.)(I feel kind of wierd not calling you mike anymore):
Do you remember when you first started posting in the deck reviews on TCO? Many of your posts were one liners that basically said the deck sucked. After we talked about it and you realized what you were doing, you started to produce a lot more insightful, well written stuff. Two things, though:
1. Defending yourself in rants is useless. You tried it as Mr. Burns, Mike, and Trevor, and had about the same result. If it din't work the first two, it probably won't work the second two.
2. If you want to stay on TCO (dunno if you do or not), just show some better behavior. If a mod warns you for something, just hear what he's saying and make your own decisions from there. Arguing aint gonna help. I think if you stick around on there, people will eventually come around. Trust me, theres people that have been around way longer that are complete dumbasses. All you gotta do is learn when you make a mistake, which it sems to me you do a fine job on.
Just my take.
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metallica
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Aug 5, 2005 2:23:01 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 5, 2005 2:23:01 GMT -5
Well I guess you do not know the inside stuff, the stuff that goes on in the PM'S. The mods constanly attacked me, even sending me a virus or 2. Thus me being an a-hole to them. Personally I will no longer have anything to do with TCO ever again. The way they run their site is ludacris. Makes me sick thinking about it. The reason I got banned was because I was going Spam out the site and send viruses to each Mod that had done the same to me. I got so fed up with defending myself, cause I know I was right. I may have said a few things to other users on TCO, but I would like to personally say im sorry to each of um. When Mod's and admins call you Sh*t head, send you viruses, make you look like a bad person, would you defend yourself. I am sure that you would. I did, and I got banned. Lucky for me that I do not have to deal with them anymore. I hope this gives you a better idea of what was really going on between me and TCO.
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Aug 5, 2005 2:42:48 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 5, 2005 2:42:48 GMT -5
Well, your call. I'm not getting into the middle of it, just stating my opinion. You know I got no problems with ya.
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metallica
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Aug 5, 2005 2:50:57 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 5, 2005 2:50:57 GMT -5
Oh no, I just think that the image of me that was potrayed was so distorted of who I am. There was a big side of the story that the people of TCO did not mention. That was the viruses and other things they did. I just hope that people do not hold a grudge over that. I am a nice guy, I just hate when ppl constantly pick at me, then I do get pissed. I got nothing against ya ADX. *Gangster Time* It's ok G, were are as tight as h3ll. Calm down Dogg. *Gangster time over* lol
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Aug 5, 2005 7:05:26 GMT -5
Post by ddp on Aug 5, 2005 7:05:26 GMT -5
Wow seems there is alot of love on this TCO site from what i have been reading. I myself have never been on the site and by the looks of things so far i don't think i wanna.
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metallica
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Aug 5, 2005 12:01:05 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 5, 2005 12:01:05 GMT -5
DDP it's not a good site for raw dealer players, unless you visit alot of cons and top 8 in all of them. They will blantly tell you that your deck sucks if you post a deck and it's not up to con level.
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Aug 6, 2005 21:24:11 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 6, 2005 21:24:11 GMT -5
1. Mike (yes, I'm still calling you Mike), you make con level decks. I've seen them, they rock. Whatever happened with you and TCO, the quality of the decks isn't it.
2. DDP: There are many users that complain about TCO on here, and then go post over there later in the day. While people have their issues with TCO, not everyone on here hates it. You can like both. Its up to you whether you want to give TCO a try
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metallica
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Aug 6, 2005 21:38:06 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 6, 2005 21:38:06 GMT -5
Me and TCO or no more. They tried to send me a virus, so when I see the people who did that to me at the Canada qualifer, im gonna make um pay *violence*
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Aug 6, 2005 21:46:40 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 6, 2005 21:46:40 GMT -5
I was just saying you make good decks, I wasn't really referring to anything else there
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Aug 6, 2005 22:57:12 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 6, 2005 22:57:12 GMT -5
ah, my bad. I miss read it. People always so I do, I don't think so. Like my Stall rock, I think the deck sucks. Other people don't.
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Aug 17, 2005 0:36:44 GMT -5
Post by americannightmare76 on Aug 17, 2005 0:36:44 GMT -5
Wow...this doesn't even scratch the surface of the politics that runs TCO. I remember when I got "das boot" from there, and the politics that rolled around as a result of it. I think the entire forum was split on that decision the first time around, and the second time around, it was a non-factor, as at that point, our beloved Brian "Antigoth" was far well established as the "brain" behind the whole operation, and any objections could've landed anyone a one way ticket off of TCO, no smooth over period with the Admins and Mods, or even the owner of the bloody site, Robbie Dean.
From what it sounds like, TCO is doing fine and well considering my departure, and you know what, I hope it continues at its current rate, just so I can see a flock of new faces at SQC, or PCG, or even here. Lord knows that TCO was on a steady downhill since the front page died out and Brian had the brilliant notion to take up that task on his own (or was Nick involved in that project before getting pushed out of the frame?).
All I remember is, the politics of that site ruinning the whole environment, even though, it was completely off the boards, and only festered once Brian took power as an Administrator. The whole feel of the site died off, and its all because of the egomaniacal prick, that seems to have completely taken over Robbie Dean's pet-project. Oh well, no matter. Life is always better without that nagging child that needs your constant attention.
Now to go and find time for SQC again...stupid side-tracks eating away at my time.
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mattman
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Aug 17, 2005 0:44:03 GMT -5
Post by mattman on Aug 17, 2005 0:44:03 GMT -5
Sir i would like to like to hug you and kiss your feet. Your a my hero I never liked TCO but I never thought they would go that far and boot you. I welcome you to the Raw Deal Superboards and I hope you enjoy your stay much more then TCO. We will treat like family.
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Aug 17, 2005 0:47:46 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 17, 2005 0:47:46 GMT -5
And the Award for the longest rant about TCO goes to...........................American Nightmare. LOL
Yeah, it's one giant ego trip over there. How did u get kicked off American Nightmare?
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Aug 17, 2005 0:59:42 GMT -5
Post by americannightmare76 on Aug 17, 2005 0:59:42 GMT -5
And the Award for the longest rant about TCO goes to...........................American Nightmare. LOL Yeah, it's one giant ego trip over there. How did u get kicked off American Nightmare? I don't really remember the specifics, but I do remember an argument that I ended up in with Brian over some "tech" talk on the Raw Deal discussion, and next thing I know, he's calling out my intelligence and integrity of the game using his rank as a means for why he was right, and I was wrong. That set me off, and next thing I know, I post a 10 page rant on why he's a fucking moron. That resulted in the first banning, and after that one, I should've stayed off, but I didn't think the politics would rear its ugly head again about a month and a half later. Next thing I know, I'm not allowed to be myself, a online "bully," as some would label me. Keep in mind, every time I "ripped" into a person over their choice of card selections, it was all done in jest, and only meant to kind of poke the people out of that type of thinking of a card, and look at it in a different light. So the next thing I know, I end up chatting with Robbie Dean, and he pretty much lays down an ultimatum: change up my act, and I'm to come back, or just leave the site. I tell him to stick his bullshit site up his ass, because let's face it, my articles were, at that time, the only thing keeping that place lively, and that he and Brian can enjoy their little elitest web forum, as there are far better options out there. Namely, SQC, where the Raw Deal discussion was far more broader, and a lot deeper than the "I think this card sucks, end of story" mentallity. Also, SQC doesn't have any morons like Brian that like to throw rank as a means to win an "argument" or discussion over strategies and "tech."
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Aug 17, 2005 1:19:54 GMT -5
Post by metallica on Aug 17, 2005 1:19:54 GMT -5
You got banned for almost the exact same reason I did, I spoke my mind. They started to send virus's and stuff like that. So I plead my case to the people of TCO, and Brian filters out what I said to make me sound like a complety moron.
Really anysite in comparison to TCO has a much more broader thinking. I never really got the SQC that much, since it is mostly ppl from europe and they have a diffrent area to meta than we do here.
I am glad to see someone with the same problems that I had.
This is proof that TCO will screw you OVER!!!
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Aug 17, 2005 1:58:18 GMT -5
Post by (Team DX)Broken on Aug 17, 2005 1:58:18 GMT -5
lol, alot of people here don't like TCO as for me i am doing well over there as well here. i don't want to make enemys for saying this or what i have said already. i like TCO alot of trades go down over there for me. but this site is my favorite. i joined AWF before i joined TCO, and i have liked both of them.
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Aug 17, 2005 15:08:37 GMT -5
Post by ADX on Aug 17, 2005 15:08:37 GMT -5
And the Award for the longest rant about TCO goes to...........................American Nightmare. LOL Yeah, it's one giant ego trip over there. How did u get kicked off American Nightmare? I don't really remember the specifics, but I do remember an argument that I ended up in with Brian over some "tech" talk on the Raw Deal discussion, and next thing I know, he's calling out my intelligence and integrity of the game using his rank as a means for why he was right, and I was wrong. That set me off, and next thing I know, I post a 10 page rant on why he's a fucking moron. That resulted in the first banning, and after that one, I should've stayed off, but I didn't think the politics would rear its ugly head again about a month and a half later. Next thing I know, I'm not allowed to be myself, a online "bully," as some would label me. Keep in mind, every time I "ripped" into a person over their choice of card selections, it was all done in jest, and only meant to kind of poke the people out of that type of thinking of a card, and look at it in a different light. So the next thing I know, I end up chatting with Robbie Dean, and he pretty much lays down an ultimatum: change up my act, and I'm to come back, or just leave the site. I tell him to stick his bullshit site up his ass, because let's face it, my articles were, at that time, the only thing keeping that place lively, and that he and Brian can enjoy their little elitest web forum, as there are far better options out there. Namely, SQC, where the Raw Deal discussion was far more broader, and a lot deeper than the "I think this card sucks, end of story" mentallity. Also, SQC doesn't have any morons like Brian that like to throw rank as a means to win an "argument" or discussion over strategies and "tech." He's being modest on the TCO thing. He was really just a quiet guy. Nobody ever really noticed he was there. Just kidding. I remember nightmare. He got booted a few months after I started. Whenever he had something to say (which was...always), he seemed to piss someone off. Not me, personally. To be honest, he was kind of a hero of mine, after they kicked him, I left for about six months. Anyway, heres my take on all of them: TCO: I have no problem with them. I grew up with them. I have had friends with problems with them. To each their own, I guess. Being objective, somewhat, I can see both sides. I have had problems with certain specific members (a few of them mods), but theres always a dipsh*t or two in any group. SQC: Neil is awesome. I just can't get into the Circle. It seems somewhat unorganised, and also like everyone is talking about nothing. It's not an insult, it just seems unproductive. PCG: Doesn't seem like anyone ever posts on the forum. I really like the layout and options, though. Just that no one seems to be around. Superboards: Small things bug me about this place, but I like it. There seems to be two differences between this and TCO: 1. Rules are somewhat less enforced (which is a good and a bad thing) 2. There's less members, and I don't feel like I know as many people. For every familliar face, there are two that aren't. I'd like to get to know everyone better, but I haven't gotten the chance. That will change over time, though. Like I said, it's nice here. Lets see where we can go.
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mattman
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Aug 17, 2005 15:39:07 GMT -5
Post by mattman on Aug 17, 2005 15:39:07 GMT -5
Well ADX you want to get familliar with some of the members im matt AKA mattman.
I really dont have any issues with TCO persay but when they are rules nazi's then it starts to get me and some of the members really bug me too with there stupidity.
The only real issue that i have is that all the mods are on a constant power trip and they dont know when to stop. That will be the ruin of that website. The Admins on there arnt really liked by some of the guys on here but i dont see how you can just banned some one for a few petty arguements?
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