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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 14:00:51 GMT -5
i noticed this rules question over on SQC and i realized, that the question of "can you decide to just play it to ring area and not shuffle in the Technicals" is CORRECT. and why is it correct? because of the word May, that offers choice and you can choose not to do that text, hense it plays to ring area with no effect.
to fix this glitch, the words "You may..." need to be removed, cause thats obviously not how the card is suposed to work, but to the great Golden... or Platnium? whatever Rule it is, the card is what we go by, and with what the word May means, its all legal baby... time to get 3 Technical Body Locks and start playin some actions!
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Post by ben123 on May 17, 2006 14:24:40 GMT -5
wow thats really kool
if u are allowed to do that, u can get 12 fort. first turn
maybe more!
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 14:39:33 GMT -5
we're working on getting it fixed as fast as possable. but CreedP wont seem to realize he's wrong and change it. all we need is one errata to make it correct.
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Post by ben123 on May 17, 2006 17:29:47 GMT -5
id rather it be not fixed  |
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 20:20:02 GMT -5
i sure want it fixed, because it really isnt the intent for the card. and thats not cool. hell on SQC someone actually asked a english professor to objectively look at the card and says it works in that you may choose not to put it on top. and i think that the cards at least need to follow the rules of the english language, dontcha think?
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Post by ~Fusion~ on May 17, 2006 20:24:26 GMT -5
Well, just like all other cards that were errata'd, we've been told to play them as they say until they are errata'd.
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 20:47:45 GMT -5
yeah, but this is a diffrent case, the Rules Man said that we play it like it doesnt have May. we just need to get it into the FAQ.
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Post by ~Fusion~ on May 17, 2006 21:08:27 GMT -5
Well, until it's updated in the FAQ, i'll be playing it as "May".
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 21:10:10 GMT -5
makes sense to me. but dont forget that they did rule what was it... Flying Elbow (the 7/10 HR from oh so long ago) and Up and At Em the same way. so one would think that it still doesnt work.
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Post by ~Fusion~ on May 17, 2006 21:12:11 GMT -5
True, but nowadays, if something isn't correct it should be fixed, i'm sure they've already errata'd those cards. With so many people being so technical (bad pun  ) about things lately you'd think they'd just fix it. |
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 17, 2006 21:16:43 GMT -5
yeah. i just hoipe they fix it quickly.
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Post by ben123 on May 19, 2006 16:47:22 GMT -5
wait so u can play it as MAY as of now until they fix it?
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 19, 2006 22:32:39 GMT -5
unless its in the FAQ that you cant. because look at the entry for Escape the Rules:
that gives you the offer to not do anything. so one would think that this ruling would apply to all Mays in the game. if something says May, then you can elect not to do it.
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Post by ~Fusion~ on May 19, 2006 22:41:48 GMT -5
Ok, while i see where you're coming from on this, and yes i agreed with you earlier, i'm retracting that. Reason being: Look at the SS3 Superstar card of Chris Jericho. It says "You May".
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 19, 2006 22:57:34 GMT -5
yeah, Jericho's ability says May. but thats a little diffrent. thats an activation for an effect. not playing a card with choices on it.
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Post by Daeva on May 19, 2006 23:24:24 GMT -5
Um...Creed already shut you down on TCO. Why are you spreading this misinformation when the Rules Manager has publicly stated that you can't do anything with Technical Body Lock as an Action but put it back into your Arsenal and shuffle back 3 technicals?
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Post by CreedP on May 19, 2006 23:46:19 GMT -5
Okay, since people like to talk behind my back and encourage outright cheating, let me make it clear.
YOU CANNOT PLAY TECHNICAL BODY LOCK TO THE RING AREA AS AN ACTION.
1. But I think you can because...
Answer: You're mistaken.
2. But the other card says...
Answer: Different card, different effect, different ruling.
3. But this is a new...
Answer: STOP RIGHT THERE. Go find yourself a copy of Flying Reverse Elbow, printed in Mania. 'May' - and it has NEVER, again, NEVER been a rule in Raw Deal that you can make up your own directions and choose to play a card wherever you want.
I apologize that it is not in the FAQ, because it was one of those 'stupid loopholes' I wanted closed when I started this a year and a half ago, yet when I looked to find where I'd put it... to my dismay, it isn't there. Rest assured, it will be.
PLAIN AS I CAN MAKE IT - if you attempt to play Technical Body Lock to the Ring Area, you are CHEATING. It is NOT legal. Anyone who is telling you otherwise is wrong, either mistakenly or because they are maliciously spreading lies wherever possible.
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Post by Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large on May 20, 2006 0:00:41 GMT -5
its not that its where ever we want, according to the rules, if an action doesnt say where it goes, it goes to ring area. and when you have the word May, it gives you the option ot elect not to do it. like with Escape the Rules allowing you to elect not to do anything. there is no option on the card to do nothing, so why can you? same thing here, you are choosing to elect with May to bypass it. Escape the Rules says the following:
it says where it goes before the May comes up. and also, it says Either, you may do Either, which means there is no "i'll do nothing" that you can choose, cause its not on the card.
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Post by CreedP on May 20, 2006 0:07:32 GMT -5
Two different cards, two different rulings. This was tried on SQC and shot down, and really, you're just taking John's work and repeating it here - why would you think you'd get different results?
Again, this is NOT a legal play. You can take my word for it, as the highest rules authority in the game (and that's not bragging, it's a fact as stated on Page 3 of the Raw Deal rulebook), or a guy who's going around trying to encourage people to play illegally and telling them that its all right because he says so.
Jake - when are you going to learn?
And suffice it to say, when I was nice to you and sent you cards without asking, I wasted my postage. I had no idea you'd be so traitorous, or I'd have fed those cards to a stray dog. Can't say I'm not extremely disappointed with your behavior, young man.
There - you wanted me to visit Superboards, I've done so.
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