Card vs Card Effect, Anyone Else Confused?

[Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large]

does anyone fully understand this ruling? becaues i cant seem to wrap my mind around it.

ok, so when you play a card, its a Card. but its not concidered a card while generating an effect, its a Card Effect. i guess that makes sense, but its the way that it interacts with other cards thats weird. like Title on the Line vs Great To Be Back. if you pop Title, you are generating a Card Effect, thus your opponent cant play Great To Be Back (though it does have said restriction, so it would work on overturn) because it ignores from Cards, not Card Effects? am i getting this right?

[Daeva]

Here's how I justify the Great to be Back ruling with "cards are only cards that are being played right now":

Great to be Back says that it ignores any "can only be reversed..." effect that came from a card.

I pop Title on the Line into a Judo Takedown. You want to play Great to be Back, so you need to determine if the "can only be reversed" effect applied to Judo Takedown came from a card.

So, you ask, "Where did the limited-reversibility come from?" The inevitable answer is "The card effect of The Title's On the Line!" Stopping here makes it seem like you can't play Great to be Back, but...

...you need to ask the follow-up, "Yeah, but where did that effect come from?" The answer, "The card titled The Title's On the Line!", clears up a lot. The effect that's limiting your reversals did come from a card, via a card effect.

[Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large]

but that idea would allow you to discard Booby Trap to Chi-Fight and get its discard effect, because the discard effect came from "The Card Titled Chicago Street Fight". the ruling that was made is that a card is only something going through the timing sequence (the Stack for you magic players) and Title on the Line already did that, during the prematch phase, and now is generating an effect. so that wouldnt make it a card, it makes it a card effect... but for some reason, which your reply didnt really clear up in my opinion is why it works dispite TotL being a CE not a Card.

[Daeva]

The example I cited comes from the very specific wording of Great to be Back Here In..., which ignores any "can only be reversed..." restriction that comes from a card. Cards like Booby Trap don't use that wording, so it doesn't apply to them.

However, I'd definitely wait for something official before sounding a red alert.

[Ace Rimmer, Attorney at Large]

well when someone posts a rules answer, and CreedP on TCO doesnt respond saying they're wrong, i concider that pretty official. because there is no correction to it. but i hear that soon, the word Card will actually mean that, a Card. so that will clear up the confusion pretty well.

[menthol]

This is years late, but to clarify just for anyone who reads this later,

Back here in CAN reverse the card played after titles is popped. The reason is, the word "any" is present. You guys are paying attention to the wrong word of the card. Although I stopped being affiliated with Raw Deal years ago, and Barron and I have not talked in 3 years, and he passed away two years ago, I still remember my conversation with him and a few others about this card in particular.

The important word is "any". You can reverse "any" card that has "any" can only be reversed by modification. That does include any card that has one because ANOTHER card gave it that effect.