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Post by hunnied on Mar 24, 2007 5:07:09 GMT -5
And i hope you all will answer me soon What's the use of the card titled I Can't Be Reading This Right? The text goes " Cannot be packed by a diva superstar If you have fewer cards then your opponent, you may remove one card from your ringside pile and put this card into your hand " What does it does actually when i play it from my hand? Nothing? So i take it to my hand? and i can't play it? Also, can Goldberg's ability reverse a maneuver like Poke? And also, For EG. I played Diversion, then Chairshot, can i oversell the chairshot? even if it says it cannot be reversed. this is about the chain of effects. whenever i take some card away from my ring area, and put it into ringside pile for the effect, it does not interupt the chain of effects right?, for example, shades of the great one , rocketbuster, then add a kick, so it would be +10F and it's a strike/strike, right? for example, i have 2 sv, and my opponent has 3 sv. i play a venue which -6 of his sv, and -4 of mine, do we both have 0 sv, or does my opponent has -3 and i have -2? so what would happen if we play underrated? do we both need to discard one card? I hope you guys reply me ASAP THANKS!
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Post by hunnied on Mar 24, 2007 6:33:56 GMT -5
BUMP!
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Post by hunnied on Mar 24, 2007 6:49:41 GMT -5
Oh yah, and one more, can goldberg's ability or Rhyno's Card " Manbeast " Reverse the first maneuver played by anyone in the ring if Extreme Warfare is in the ring area?
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panic
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Post by panic on Mar 24, 2007 8:11:56 GMT -5
ok i can answer a few questions. i am answering these questions in order u have them
1) the "i can't be reading this right" is for superstars like goldberg which you need to discard cards for his ability. so when it is your hand you don't have to get rid of something usefull 2) 3)yes because the maneuver is still successful and goes through but it would end their turn and u would go 4)i see it as being correct 5)you both would have 0 ssv, i say this because it is impossible to have a negative ssv in the game 6)no u can't cause it is still be considered being played from hand
i hope i answered the questions to the best of my ablitity and i hope u understand each answer
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Post by Daeva on Mar 25, 2007 0:56:12 GMT -5
1) I Can't be Reading This Right is strictly discard fodder. Ditch it, pick it up, ditch it again, et cetera. You can play it if you wish, but it will do absolutely nothing and be stuck in your Ring, unable to be picked up (though it will set up something that "can only be played after a successfully played card" or has a Follow-up: Card).
2) No. Goldberg's ability isn't titled Step Aside, Escape Move, or Elbow to the Face, and it doesn't specifically reverse Clutch onto Opponent. It's not from his hand, Backlash deck, Ringside pile, Ring area, or Arsenal, but from his Backstage area, where the Superstar card is.
3) Over Sell Maneuver (and Toothless Aggression, Over Sell: Hot Rod Style, Sustained Damage, and any other Reversal card that says "Can only be played after a successfully played maneuver") doesn't reverse a damn thing and doesn't care whether the card it's being played after cannot be reversed / has Momentum; they're still legal plays.
4) The only thing that "breaks the chain" is playing a card. You could use your Shades, your Rocket Buster, and three Old School Beatings, then White Wedding over Tajiri's ability and your Kick would reap all the benefits (Multi, +10F to reverse, and +10D).
5) Superstar Values can go into negative numbers. You keep the negatives for comparisons and for trying to bring them out of the hole, but if a card tries to use your Superstar Value as a number, it uses 0. EXAMPLE: Lashley's I'm the Real Deal lets you shuffle and draw equal to your opponent's Superstar Value; if Lashley's opponent had a SSV of -5, Lashley wouldn't discard 5 cards and overturn 5 cards, he would do nothing, since the card would "use" his SSV as a 0. EXAMPLE 2: In your Underrated example, the -3 SSV player would not have to discard, since his -3 is lower than his opponent's -2. The -2 player would have to discard, since he is not the player with the lowest Superstar Value.
6) I kind of answered this in 2, but neither of those effects are coming from the Arsenal (Goldberg's ability is coming from the Backstage area and The Manbeast's effect is coming from the Ring), so they can't touch a maneuver protected by Extreme Warfare.
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Post by hunnied on Mar 27, 2007 23:51:38 GMT -5
ahh! icic. So negative superstar values can also be used to see who starts first right? like -2 starts first before -3. Icic.
Also, for example, if i ONLY have I Can't Be Reading This Right in my ringside pile? Can i take it back to my hand without removing any cards from my Ringside pile ? Since i already have nothing inside.
Rikishi's raising the roof says that it can ignore the text of superstar specific foil " Can only be played" Back the ass up has a text of "Must be played after throw into corner turnbuckle"
does raising the roof have effect on it as well? it is a foil and superstar specific.
Is Beating The Odds and ACE? how do you define a card as ACE if it dosen't have the ACE logo on it? Maybe it's first print or so..
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Post by hunnied on Mar 27, 2007 23:52:24 GMT -5
oh yeah btw! thanks alot for answering me! have been great help to me!! thanks!!
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Post by hunnied on Mar 27, 2007 23:53:51 GMT -5
oh one more! can superstars lose via a card effect? for eg, Raunt the Gaunlet, Ring Steps, and all?
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Post by Daeva on Mar 28, 2007 1:04:18 GMT -5
7) Yes, a -2 SSV Superstar will start the match over a -3 SSV Superstar, because that's a comparison.
8) No, you wouldn't be able to pick it up. I Can't Be Reading This Right... doesn't leave the Ringside pile until you've removed the card, so if ICBRTR is the only thing there, you have to wait until there's another card to remove before you can pick it up.
9) Raisin' the Roof has no effect on Back That A%$ Up!, since Back doesn't have the appropriate text ("Must be played after..." is not the same as "Can only be played after..."; hence, Back That A%$ UP! can't be played after From the Top Rope).
10) Beating the Odds' effect is an ACE. It's not one that your opponent can reverse, since you're using it on his turn and he can't play Reversals or use reversal effects on his own turn, but he could, say, remove it from your Ring with Escape the Rules or Managed by Dawn Marie (and, as per the text of Beating the Odds, he'd have to end his turn).
11) Card effects that cause overturn (Enter the Stratus-phere, Run the Gauntlet, Ring Steps, Get a Look at These, Daddy's Little Girl) can cause pinfalls if the opponent cannot overturn enough cards. Cards that "put the top <whatever> cards of your opponent's Arsenal into his Ringside pile" can't, since only -overturn- (or an explicit card effect, like Victory Roll or <WWE> Divas: The Next Generation) causes a pinfall.
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Post by hunnied on Mar 28, 2007 1:38:24 GMT -5
Thanks for your quick reply! i have somemore questions though, just thought of them.. "Cause Stone Cold Said So..." has a text " When in play, you may discard this card ( even during your opponent turn) and your next card played this turn can be played regardless of the fortitude value. Above it, has the text "Can only be played i the card titles that's the bottom line is in your ring area, you may remove any action card from your opponent's ring area and place it in his ringside pile" . Does the when in play you may discard this card, is when the cards is in the ring area or in the hand?
And also, Austin Elbow Smash has the text " May Not Be Reversed " Can someone remove beating the odds to reverse it? and can not according to fine print reverse it?
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Post by hunnied on Mar 28, 2007 4:36:59 GMT -5
ah! and also, if i got more cards in my hand then my opponent i cannot take back ICBRTR from my ringside pile? or i do not have to remove any cards?
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Post by Daeva on Mar 28, 2007 11:33:42 GMT -5
12) ...Cause Stone Cold Says So!'s Fortitude reduction effect is an Activated Card Effect. You move the card from the Ring to the Ringside to activate the effect. 13) "Cannot be reversed", "May not be reversed", and "Can not be reversed" are all the same thing to Beating the Odds and Not According to the Fine Print!. Both are applicable to Austin Elbow Smash. 14) You cannot pick up I Can't Be Reading This Right... unless you have less cards in your hand than your opponent. It's a game balance thing. 15) You can find the answers to most of these questions in the OmniFAQ, available at www.comicimages.com/rawdeal/rules/faq.htm
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Post by hunnied on Apr 17, 2007 9:35:29 GMT -5
Hello again! I had a new question occuring, Shades Of The Great One, is a pre - match object card. It says on the text, as a mid match action, you may put this into your ringside pile and your next card played this turn is -10F or your opponent's reversal to it is +10F. Does this count as a mid match action, so that it can be reversed by the likes of No Chance In Hell, and does it count as a card played?
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Post by hunnied on Apr 17, 2007 9:36:48 GMT -5
Cause it has the text " As a mid match action " rather then just "When this card is in your ring area.." i read from somewhere it just stimulates the action of a mid match action but it dosen't count, am i right? Hope to hear from you guys soon!
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Post by Daeva on Apr 17, 2007 12:32:20 GMT -5
You have an older copy of Shades of the Great One right there. The Survivor Series 3 edition dropped the "as a Mid-match Action" text, and, as per the Most Recent Printing rule, every previous edition of Shades of the Great One is considered to read as the SS3 version.
But, for cards that were not updated: no, the "as a Mid-match Action" text does not allow those ACEs to be reversed by Action reversals. Before Survivor Series 3, it was used to "break the chain" between playing a card and making a Follow-up. For example, before Survivor Aeries 3, if you had played, say, The People's DDT, then activated your Shades of the Great One, you couldn't play a High Risk or something like Quick Count Ref that has to be played after a maneuver, since the ACE broke the chain.
Once Survivor Series 3 came out, they changed that rule so that the only thing that prevents a Follow-up is playing a card, so it would be legal for me to play my High Risk after I had used Shades of the Great One.
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